a blade of grass

… he told me that perfection could be learned from nature. be more humble than a blade of grass; more tolerant than a tree. give respect to others freely, without expectation or motive. in such a state of mind, stripped bare of your false pretenses, call out to your Lord eternally.

i’m still working on it …

2006/10/17

Are we Hindu?

It would be interesting to know whether Steven Rosen included in his book, all the remarks that Srila Prabhupada made about Hinduism. The Krishna Consciousness Movement is not a Hindu movement; that’s clearly the message we get from Srila Prabhupada’s various statements on the subject.

What is also surprising is that our leaders (GBC and temple presidents) have made official statements — at various times — alluding a clear connection between the Sankirtana Movement of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu and Hinduism. I wonder where do they that from?

Hinduism — the way it is presented by the Hindus themselves — is strikingly and unmistakably polytheistic and pantheistic, which are considered inferior forms of theologies among Western theologians. Actually, Vaishnava theology also considers such forms of theologies inferior to the exclusivity and monotheistic of bhakti.

I wonder what’s the benefit of the tendency to keep mingling Hindusim with the Krishna Consciousness Movement?

Comment posted by ykd108 on October 12th, 2006

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In his comment, ykd108 wonders where ISKCON's leaders (and presumably Satyaraja Prabhu in writing this book) get the basis for a connection between the sankirtana movement of Caitanya Mahaprabhu and what is commonly referred to as the "Hindu" tradition. The answer: from Lord Caitanya Himself (who made such a connection, for instance when speaking to Chand Kazi), from Srila Prabhupada (who made such connection, for instance when trying to protect our movement from being branded a cult by the New York Supreme Court) , and from the Vaisnava sampradayas (which, as the book review mentions, often describe themselves as the largest constituents under the Hindu umbrella).

Of course, ykd108 is correct to point out that Srila Prabhupada made it clear that the Krishna consciousness movement is not preaching the Hindu religion -- but why stop there? In fact, Srila Prabhupada made it equally clear that the movement is not preaching any sectarian religion; Krishna consciousness, he boldly reminded us, is trying to share pure love of God (a supra-religious, transcendent, universal goal). As far as theological statements go, that is both accurate and powerful.

From a historical and sociological standpoint, however, it is just as accurate to identify the movement as representing the Gaudiya Vaisnava sampradaya, a monotheistic faith with roots in what is commonly known as Hinduism. Thus it is entirely possible (and legitimate) to speak about our philosophy as being both non-sectarian or non-religious (in an absolute context), and being one of the "traditions [that] collectively constitute the numerically largest portion of the Hindu world" (in the -- dare I say, mundane -- relative context).

In expressing his fear of the "mingling Hindusim" [sic] monster that lurks beneath ISKCON's bed, ykd108 inadvertently highlights one (of several) reasons that devotees do need to participants in the Hindu world. "Hinduism" ykd108 informs us "...is strikingly and unmistakably polytheistic and pantheistic." And lest we fault him for this generalization, he quickly points out that this snapshot of the religion is "the way it is presented by the Hindus themselves." And that is precisely the problem. For who are "the Hindus" that ykd108 refers to? And by what process were they invited to be the unequivocal spokespersons for Hinduism? Surely, there are more than a few Hindus -- for example, my dear Sri Vaisnava friends (who follow Sripada Ramanujacarya’s teachings faithfully and also identify themselves as Hindus) -- who would beg to differ. Certainly, educated and realized ISKCON devotees -- folks like Satyaraja Prabhu, for example -- could do amazing service for Srila Prabhupada and Lord Caitanya by introducing people to the beautiful and theologically indefensible traditions of monotheism and devotional service within that vast Hindu culture.

But ykd108 seems content to surrender the task of defining Hindu to stereotype-fed indologists and an impersonalist elite (for instance, Swami Vivekananda and his neo-Vedantic progeny). Tragically, our consolation prize is the opportunity to bask in the conviction that "Vaishnava theology also considers such forms of theologies inferior to the exclusivity and monotheistic of bhakti" [sic], which puts us in the company of Western theologians (who, by the way, will likely still think of us as Hindus).

I think we can do better.

I truly believe that we can (and must) describe our tradition in an articulate, honest, and accurate way: by acknowledging the Vaisnava faith in its proper context, and by humbly sharing what makes being a follower of Lord Caitanya the most wonderful, unique, sublime process.

It may not always be easy, but to do any less -- even in the name of safeguarding the exclusivity of bhakti -- would constitute the real compromise.

3 comments:

Anonymous said...

good points prabhu,

since we are probably the most organised 'Hindu' body in the western world we should take it upon ourselves to represent 'Hinduism'. As you pointed out, Mahaprabhu used this moniker when preaching to Chand Kazi. Srila Prabhupada utilised the 'Hindu' misnomer because its puts us on a religious map for people with no idea of Vaisnavaism what to speak of Gaudiya-Vaisnavism. There are other incidents where Srila Prabhupada used 'Hindu' for preaching.

Though certainly we should be clear what 'Hindu' is (ie ... the origin of the word etc...) and then utilise it in Krishna's service. Like sometimes devotees say they are 'preists' and 'monks' borrowing terms from Christianity. So if people ask "Are you Hindus?" why not say "Sure, We're Gaudiya-Vasinavas."

ys, ekendra das

Anonymous said...

In a lecture i heard from Hrdayananda Goswami, he pointed out that people of the Vedic culture refered to themselves as Hindus, when speaking w/ Muslims (during the time of Lord Caitanya, before and after) as a kind of generalization for those not "Hindu". whereas amongst themselves, they could easily and openly define themselves by their specific tradition and sampradaya.

I certainly think its beneficial to ISKCON's activities to use the Hindu term when preaching, especially in relation to topics of universal concern or in interfaith dialogue. Of course our own sampradaya and its specific nuances should in no way be compromised, no matter what the situation maybe.

We can learn from Satyaraja Prabhu, and also Caru prabhu in Utah who is also keen on preaching according to time place and circumstance. He gets so many hundreds and thousands to chant Hare Krishna through his creative preaching.

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